Category: Shenanigans

EDITOR’S NOTE: This is a special guest post from irieriley, a churner who went from crawling to marathon long sprints in a short time.

In the world of manufactured spend and churning, it’s implied that there is a rigid structure of clearly defined rules that govern what you can and can’t do. Chase 5/24. Amex pop up jail. Don’t cycle Citi. Don’t cycle Synchrony*, etc. etc. etc.

A lot of this collective knowledge is sourced from smart folks that were willing to be the guinea pigs and push limits to understand exactly what those limits are.

But in the spirit of probing, you shouldn’t consider any of these rules as completely impossible to circumvent. I once cycled a Citi Double Cash 9 times back when I didn’t know it was an issue, and a large Citi balance was a prerequisite for a long, tedious afternoon of liquidation. I’m still alive years later, continued shenanigans and all. 

Now, I’m not saying to go throw in an application for the absolutely incredible Chase Sapphire Reserve Business™® if you’re way over 5/24, because it will be a waste of a hard pull. I’m just saying that historically, there’s been ways to get around these obstacles.

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Here are some common “rules” I’ve seen over the years that I wouldn’t hesitate to spend 5 seconds testing if I came across them:

  • No business cards
  • No Amex
  • Debit cards only
  • One deposit per day
  • Max $ deposit

Best case scenario, the rule doesn’t apply, and you make more money. Worst case scenario, the transaction doesn’t go through, and you proceed with your day. Medium case scenario, the rule doesn’t apply, but you get a terse email and need to get creative to keep your account open. The underlying systems and platforms that power our favorite banks, CUs and fintechs are just so finicky that you’ll never know until you try. 

While we’re on the subject of things not being what they seem, here’s some advice: In a lot of online communities, getting zero answers to a question you pose is likely a sign you asked a dumb question. But in this one, if your question is thoughtful and researched and nobody responds (or in my case, you are DMed to delete the question), you may be on to something. In this case, silence is deafening. 

– irieriley

*Ok, I will concede that not cycling Synchrony does seem to be sound advice.

A MSer continuing to enjoy the spoils of breaking the rules after realizing “debit cards only” did not apply in practice at his latest target

Last Friday was best known because it was National Christina Day, but something a little less overt happened Friday, hidden in the noise of the National Christina Day parades: Chase shutdown some of its biggest manufactured spend abusers in a second round of purging about a month after the first round. This round of shutdowns appears to be for:

  • Floosies that accidentally or purposefully took advantage of bonus multipliers to the tune of at least a few thousand dollars
  • Churners who found their own ways to trigger bonus categories and did so with medium to heavy volume this year
  • People with large suspicious money flows in our out of their deposit accounts

The first two groups saw only credit cards close while deposit accounts were untouched. The last group saw everything closed. There are enough questions swirling around the churnosphere that probably the subject probably deserves answers beneficial to the whole commnity:

[Q]: What happens to your points when Chase shuts you down?
[A]: They stick around for 30 days unless you’re in New York, in which case it’s 90 days. In rare cases your points vanish immediately, but this is only when Chase suspects fraud or money laundering.

[Q]: Can I get back into Chase if I was shutdown?
[A]: It very much depends on the reason, and how you were shut down. Depending on the circumstance, it’ll be one of: you’ll never see another card again, you’ll be back in after five years, you’ll be approved for cards but they’ll be shut down in a month or two, or you’ll be back in 60-90 days

[Q]: Is there anything I can do to reverse the shutdown?
[A]: There are certain types of shutdowns like bust-out risk that can be overturned by the Chase Executive office. Unfortunately, this round doesn’t seem to be related to any of those types of shutdown, so for those affected in April and May the answer is probably no

[Q]: If Chase shuts me down, can I link new transfer partners in the Ultimate Rewards portal post-shutdown?
[A]: Yes

[Q]: Will pending points post after I’m shutdown?
[A]: Yes

[Q]: Do I need to worry about another round?
[A]: Probably if you know the details of what happened to trigger bonus categories and you had significant volume; otherwise probably not

[Q]: Should I self-shutdown preemptively?
[A]: I would if you were part of the bonus category shenanigans and you haven’t been axed yet

[Q]: Do I need to worry that I’ve maxed spend on my Chase Ink Cash cards at office supply stores?
[A]: No

Good luck, and happy Monday!

Next time: The story of how boomer-era Chase Manhattan Bank helped propel National Christina Day into the worldwide spotlight.

From at least 2017 through 2021, the Walmart mobile app had functionality for making bill payments from your phone through CheckFreePay, much like their in-store money center bill pay option. With the right gyrations it was a great from-home liquidation channel, supported plenty of volume, and in some cases even served as a liquidation channel of last resort.

In Spring 2021 though, Walmart updated the user interface framework and the interface for its mobile apps, and in the process killed bill pay functionality. But, technical users could install an old version of the app and keep access to bill payments. Those payments continued to work for months, and even worked better than before, probably due to decreased transaction load and volume.

Why bring this up today? Is this a timely post? Two answers:

  • No, it’s not timely because there are always games to play with older apps
  • Yes, it’s timely because there are always games to play with older apps

Have a nice Monday friends!

Throwbacks gonna throwback.

American Express shut down the accounts for a large number of churners yesterday. If you were affected, I’m sorry, that sucks and I hope you’re back with AmEx soon. What happened exactly? Let’s start with vitals:

  • Shutdowns happened between 1 PM and 5 PM Eastern
  • Shutdowns didn’t occur simultaneously, they were spread throughout the day
  • The Apple Pay early warning system didn’t work this time
  • Shutdown emails used the reason “accounts […] not being used for the intended purpose”
  • Applying for a new card after shutdown was instantly denied with the reason “previously engaged in abuse, misuse, or gaming”

Now, let’s talk causes. I don’t work at American Express so I can’t offer definitive evidence, but we have plenty of data points that all point in the same direction. Those say:

  • PayPal games didn’t cause this
  • Employee cards didn’t cause this
  • Referrals didn’t cause this
  • Back-button didn’t cause this
  • Lots of sign-up bonuses didn’t cause this
  • Fitness club history didn’t cause this
  • The floosies were a common denominator and probably came back to bite

Notes and lessons from American Express shutdowns in general:

  • You can’t add new transfer partners once a shutdown happens*, so add partners now
    *… unless you have an AmEx business checking account
  • You can only transfer 999,999 Membership Rewards per day per transfer partner
  • AmEx doesn’t close other players at the same address for guilt by association
  • You’ve got until the end of the day to cash out your points when you’re shutdown
  • If you cash-out with gift cards, only the physical ones work post shutdown
  • AmEx won’t refund annual fees for shutdown cards on their own
  • You can accelerate pending Membership Rewards points if you make a payment, call, and get lucky
  • Don’t trust the reasons for shutdown from commenters that weren’t part of the shutdown

And finally, my advice:

  • Shutdowns probably aren’t over yet
  • If you rank high on the floosie scale and aren’t yet shutdown, consider a sneak-attack-strike-back
  • If you end up shutdown and a rep tells you they can’t help you transfer your points, HUCA
  • If you have lots of posted charges and pending points, try and get them accelerated
  • Don’t forget about the arbitration clause for pending points that haven’t posted

Good luck out there!

A small post-shutdown brew to lighten the evening.

How about that sports ball yesterday, amirite? That was [awesome / awful] (choose one). Anyway:

  1. There’s a new link for getting a $75 Uber voucher with a new Clear sign-up bonus using promo code VDAY25, a promo code that’s clearly named for Veterans Day on the 25th. These promotions are effectively a way to turn a nearly worthless American Express $199 credit into a $75 credit that’s actually worth about $50.

    Even though the language says that enrolling at airport is required after registering online, that’s never been enforced prior and probably won’t be this time either, just ask your aunt, dog, or lampshade.
  2. There are two shopping portal bonuses for airline portals:

    – United MileagePlus Shopping: 500 bonus miles for $150+ spend through today
    – Alaska Mileage Plan Shopping: 500 bonus miles for $150+ spend through Friday

    Obviously you should hit these in a particular order, perhaps even with giftcards.com.
  3. The American Express Marriott Bonvoy business card has a heightened sign-up bonus of 125,000 points after $8,000 spend in six months. I prefer points only offers on this card to its low-cap free-night certificate bonus offers, but 125,000 Marriott points won’t even get a single night at some hotels so there’s that.
  4. British Airways has a 20% transfer bonus for incoming miles from Chase Ultimate Rewards through March 31. The bonus isn’t instant, expect it to take 24+ hours.

    Because Avios transfer freely between British Airways and other Avios airlines, this is really a transfer bonus for FinnAir, Qatar, Ibera, and Aer Lingus too.
  5. The Barclays Hawaiian credit card has a sign-up bonus of 70,000 bonus miles after making a single purchase and paying the $99 annual fee. You need to enter a random flight attendant code, like 001111 (which is binary for 15 because that’s how many people will find that joke funny).

    Because Hawaiian miles transfer freely to Alaska, this is really a great sign-up bonus for a Alaska miles. This product will turn into a pumpkin soon so it’s getting close to now or never.
  6. The American Express Delta Business cards have new heightened sign-up bonuses (the personal ones have been heightened since January 17):

    – Reserve Business: 110,000 SkyMiles after $12,000 spend in six months
    – Platinum Business: 100,000 SkyMiles after $8,000 spend in six months
    – Gold Business: 90,000 SkyMiles after $6,000 spend in six months and a waived first year annual fee

    Each of these cards have Delta Stays credits, and since they’re business cards you’re not stuck with the same product for the first year due to the CARD act.
  7. American Express Offers has a targeted card-linked offer for a $60 statement credit on $300+ in spend at Hilton properties. Gamers gonna game in multiple ways.

Happy Monday!

Celebrating yesterday’s win.

MEABNOTE: I’ll be going on a blogging vacation at the end of the year and there won’t be any daily posts between December 18 and December 31. After that, we’ll ring in the new year on January 1, 2025 with the 2024 version of Travel Hacking as Told by GIFs though, so no need to be up in arms, but I guess it’s ok if you’re up in legs.

What happens with your points when a major bank shuts down your accounts? If you’re in New York, you’ve got 90 days by law to redeem your points, though the options for redemption may change on shutdown. If you’re not in New York, here’s what the landscape looks like:

  • Chase: You’ve got 30 days to redeem or transfer your miles
  • Capital One: Your miles are immediately redeemed at 0.5 cents per mile
  • American Express: Your points are forfeited at the end of the business day
  • Citi: Your points are forfeited at the end of the business day
  • Wells Fargo: Your points are forfeited immediately

With American Express and Citi, if you’re quick at noticing the shutdown, you can call their redemption departments immediately and likely get your points redeemed or transferred out. The phone numbers for each:

  • American Express Membership Rewards: 800-297-3726
  • Citi ThankYou Points: 800-842-6596

If your points are forfeited, you may be able to mediate or litigate to get your points back, but of course I’m not a lawyer and I’m definitely not your lawyer.

Good luck and stay safe!

Captured: The moment a Membership Rewards bucket drains.

I have two favorite old-school niche travel blogs, TravelBloggerBuzz and The Free-quent Flyer. One of the interesting insights from the latter, from way back in 2016, was about manufacturing small transactions with Plastiq. At the time, Plastiq’s transaction fees were percentage based and didn’t have minimums so you could send a very small payment and pay a $0.01 fee for it, a perfect way to manufacture transactions.

Plastiq fixed the small payment nearly zero-fee transaction years ago, but Gideon at The Free-quent Flyer set up scheduled transactions through the year 2026 before the minimums kicked-in and those transactions are still going under the old fee structure.

There’s a lesson here, especially because we just had another niche payment method go away this week: Whenever you can schedule your games to continue into the future, you probably should find a way to do so. If you played your cards right, you may have years of shenanigans ahead of you even after something dies.

Good luck, and remember: I’m only cryptic and Machiavellian cause I care.

Warning: You can go too far with manufacturing transactions, but on the other hand I never saw a Plastiq hat.

Bank of America’s written rules and their real life behavior never quite matched one another. Some of the consequences of the mismatch include:

  • Business cards aren’t really limit one per product type, despite the language
  • Hard-pulls are combined for between 1 and 30 days, generally
  • Phantom credit lines can exist in Bank of America’s systems for a year after you close a card

There’s more detail about the quirks and app-o-ramas in the Bank of America Followup post from 2021, but in the past several months things have changed. Multiple data points now suggest that if you apply for more than 3-4 cards on the same day:

  • You may be still be approved for all cards on the same day
  • A day or two later, only one card shows up in your online profile
  • Several days later, emails or letters show up saying all applications but your first are denied
  • If you’re really unlucky, Bank of America will close your accounts (this is rare)

This isn’t entirely consistent, but it happens enough that it’s time for some new guidance on Bank of America app-o-ramas:

  • Stick to between one and three cards for safety
  • Stagger your applications across days

Generally you’ll still only have one hard pull on your credit report too, and you can freeze your reports after the first application to make sure.

Good luck!

Following up requires a followup to the shirt too.