The Citi Shop Your Way Rewards Mastercard card was an overlooked value machine for years, and it was the first MEAB Unsung Hero card too. I think churners know the card’s value machine status now though, so proselytizing at this point is passé.
But, questions often come up around the card, so let’s answer ’em like a boss:
[Q] When do I start getting offers? [A] Usually 3-5 months after getting the card
[Q] What’s the offer cadence? [A] Citi sends offers on the 1st and the 15th of each month via email, and sometimes earlier via snail-mail
[Q] What’s the sign-up bonus? [A] I dunno, but it’s crap, and it’s always been crap – that’s not why we get the card
[Q] How long until the sign-up bonus posts after hitting spend? [A] Forever, it probably won’t post (unless you’re really lucky or you bug Citi)
[Q] When do semi-monthly spend offers post? [A] For points usually within a week. For statement credits, either (a) a few weeks after the statement close, or (b) the middle of the next month depending on the offer
[Q] Can I have multiple Shop Your Way Rewards cards? [A] Historically yes, but now now (since about mid-2023)
[Q] What counts as an online purchase? [A] ymmv, but: some floosie things, your online utility payments, and probably whatever counts on the AT&T Access More card which would also be an Unsung Hero if you could still get it
[Q] Can I product change to this card? [A] No
[Q] Can I switch to the ThankYou Points version of this card? [A] Not since 2021
[Q] What’s the best redemption of Shop Your Way Rewards points? [A] Almost always Visa gift cards
[Q] What’s an unknown feature of the card? [A] It has special payment-fu, and lacks the Big Bank Energy™ that Citi’s known for
[Q] How do I get a credit line increase? [A] They award them automatically on most card anniversaries
[Q] I don’t see any offers in the ‘Offers’ tab on the account dashboard [A] That’s not a question, but sounds about right for this card. Don’t worry, no one else sees their offers either
[Q] What’s this card’s annual expectation value? [A] Almost as much as a maxed American Express Resy Platinum sign-up bonus
Good luck, and Happy #CitiGonnaCiti day.
[Bonus Q] In the year 2025, I get this message while trying to log into the card’s dashboard, what’s up? [A] #CitiGonnaCiti
AA miles are the most valuable currency for several use cases typically exercised by US based fliers. The program hasn’t devalued in a while though so caveat emptor and it’s the only thing in the AA ecosystem that’s keeping the lights on, but AA is good at cutting off its profit centers when they make too much money for shareholders for some reason. (Thanks to casinovibes)
– You can stack employee card bonuses with upgrade bonuses – You can stack retention offers with upgrade bonuses – You can stack with new card sign-up bonuses – Retention offers may be better before upgrade – An upgrade is a no-harm/no-foul maneuver with American Express – You can do this in the first year of card membership because it’s a business card
Now, the question that comes up often after these: How risky are hacked links? There have been historic shutdowns for hacked links, but there haven’t been any of those in nearly a decade. American Express doesn’t seem to care now, but that may change in the future. Do your own risk assessment, ideally involving variational calculus if you’re a bored super-nerd.
The CFPB is effectively non-existent 🪦, which means that when a bank holds your money and shouldn’t, doesn’t award a bonus when they should, changes credit card terms in an illegal manner, or sends all of your personal details to an adult website owner, you don’t have an easy, central resource for fixing it. You still have tools at your disposal to help though (ordered by of likely ease of use):
Your state banking regulator and charter administration
Arbitration (most banks have these clauses in their paperwork, and they’re almost always obligated to pay for the arbitration too)
Don’t shy away from the arbitration option when the numbers get into five digits, if the bank obviously behaved incorrectly your odds are probably great.
Do this now: Register for double points at Choice hotels through April 7, but the offer is only good on up to four stays because how dare Choice encourage you to stay more than 4 times?
You can buy up to $10,000 of these per account per rolling 24 hours. Don’t use an American Express because it won’t earn points, and make sure you have an air-tight liquidation plan because these InComm issued cards have gotten difficult.
The CFPB has effectively been shut down. Expect more on this later, but for now assume that no government agency will take action on your CFPB feedback from this time forward, and explore other options when you demand satisfaction.
Even though the language says that enrolling at airport is required after registering online, that’s never been enforced prior and probably won’t be this time either, just ask your aunt, dog, or lampshade.
There are two shopping portal bonuses for airline portals:
Because Avios transfer freely between British Airways and other Avios airlines, this is really a transfer bonus for FinnAir, Qatar, Ibera, and Aer Lingus too.
Because Hawaiian miles transfer freely to Alaska, this is really a great sign-up bonus for a Alaska miles. This product will turn into a pumpkin soon so it’s getting close to now or never.
– Reserve Business: 110,000 SkyMiles after $12,000 spend in six months – Platinum Business: 100,000 SkyMiles after $8,000 spend in six months – Gold Business: 90,000 SkyMiles after $6,000 spend in six months and a waived first year annual fee
Each of these cards have Delta Stays credits, and since they’re business cards you’re not stuck with the same product for the first year due to the CARD act.
EDITOR’S NOTE: Some of the smartest members of the community have stepped up with guest posts during the holiday break in 2024 and now on Saturdays in early 2025. Special thanks to today’s author Jim for his reinforcement of the gospel of SSB. Have a nice weekend!
I just finished reading MEAB’s annual mistake of letting the inmates run the asylum, and need to RAT (calm down, Amex MSers, just a phrase) out Slideshow Bob 223 and reveal his true identity:
Since he showed up around the time Ronald McDonald was no longer showing up in commercials, it is obvious that Ronald got axed, and, having no other marketable skills (like most MSers) got a “job” MSing.
Now, don’t get me wrong: most of what SlideshowRon223 said about MSers needing to avoid opening Citi and Chase bank accounts if they want to continue raking in the points, is right on target. Especially the part where he warned that images of unemployed clowns trapped in rooms filled with rakes and annoyed at MSing P2s could be very disturbing. (At least that’s as best as I can remember, as Barbra sang in The Way We Were: “what’s too painful to remember we simply choose to forget”.)
So, to get those disturbing images out of my mind (think: writing therapy) I wanted to amplify on Ron’s Slideshow on Citi and Chase.
Citi is not only, as Slideshow and the guy who is letting the inmates run the asylum (whose identity I will not mention) one of the worst cancerous lesions of unbridled American capitalism, but they are Shameless (very funny show, BTW) about it: After Citi told me I could open a bank account, deposit numerous money orders and it would all be good, and after I did what they specifically said was OK, they axed me. They took the position that it did not matter if they lied to me and then closed my account when I relied on their lie.
Their clause in the terms and conditions about letting them close accounts for any reason, permits them to close accounts because they do not like the nature of their money order deposits, the color of a clown’s hair, the color of a person’s skin, and let’s them lie about it to prospective customers. Sounds like a job for …CFPB (Commission F*ed up Pretty Badly).
When I asked them for help, it turns out the CFPB is like the Wizard of Oz: a toothless figurehead hiding inside some really scarily impressive trappings. They were fine with letting a major bank (Citi) set the precedent that, as long as they had the close for any reason clause it would justify whatever other slimy actions they took.
Only good thing about the CFPB/Wizard of Oz experience is it helped me come up with a one word description of Citi: Wicked.
The few readers who have taken enough of your meds to still be reading this may be wondering: how did I know to ask Citi if they would axe me for depositing tons of similar looking money orders? That’s because Chase axed me (and several family members guilty by association) for that many years ago.
But since MEAB is supposed to include not just disjointed ramblings, and Citi Piti Parties, here’s an actual important MS PSA: even if you are on Chase’s Lubbock list, they take a little while to figure it out and axe your newly opened account.
My family has gotten ~10 opening bonuses for spending quickly, and qualifying for the opening bonus before the axe falls. In fact a Chase CSR told me that as long as you qualify, they will give you the bonus even if they know they are going to axe you and have scheduled your final MS meal.
(Note: any Chase RAT people reading this do not need to track down the author and bar him from opening Chase accounts in the future: he was tragically crushed to death by large piles of unused Amex AU cards falling on him, after he submitted this post)
In any event, I likely could have and would have avoided these MS faceplants if I had shared intel with other MSers. The easiest way to do that is to join a insiders group, but for those that are too lazy, or can’t pass the mental health background check ( I’m talking to you, SlideshowRon 233), just find an informal group.
For extra bonus points you can share not only MS tips but pool your resources for mutual benefit, e.g. let MSer with incredibly profitable Kroger play who has maxed out CL use your CL and share the profits.
Two suggestions for informal groups: MEAB Matt (not just saying that to suck up to him so he will publish this post: he really is good); and AA (does not stand for Awards Anonymous, he is a real person: not mentioning his name here but email me for contact info.)
Likewise, the previous inmate post asked if there is a better way to cash out Membership Rewards points than transferring to airline partners or Schwabbing.
There is and I can email it to you offline. Matt does not want it broadcast online, and even tho it is pretty clear he is not editing or reading these inmate posts, i thought I would err on the side of caution and not divulge it here.
Sideshow Bob as the wicked witch of the west Citi, as imagined by creepy AI.
Typically I let the affiliate sites talk about how to do basic things like booking hotel rooms with points; after all those 14 credit card links don’t display themselves. Unfortunately though, the usual circles and arrows crowd have been derelict on the Accor front because (a) I don’t think most of them actually travel outside of the US and stay in non US hotel chains, (b) Accor ALL is somewhat non-trivial, and (c) something something affiliate revenuereasons. If you search google for “booking Accor with points”, you’ll find plenty of confused people too:
The responses to posts like the above are mostly useless too, again because (b) Accor ALL is somewhat non-trivial.
The Basics
Accor Hotels is basically like the European version of Marriott, but with lots more value and generally cleaner, nicer rooms. They also don’t loathe their customers which is a plus. Accor ALL points are worth a fixed 2 eurocents each, which is about 2.1 US cents with current exchange rates. With that out of the way, here’s what you need to know:
All points redemptions are in increments of 2,000 (€40)
Point redemption costs are exactly tied to the price of the room
You can use points for part or for all of your stay
The app and website won’t let you see points redemption options unless you already have at least 2,000 points in your account
Point redemptions work for room charges too
You can redeem with points during booking, during your stay, or during checkout
The front desk can do redemptions over the phone or in person with your ALL number
You can only pay with points online if there’s a prepaid rate available
Accor’s app and website often stop taking prepaid reservations in the last week of booking, but will still accept bookings that are paid at the hotel. When that happens, just reserve the cash rate and pay with points at the front desk during your stay. It’ll work out, it’s easy.
Getting Accor Points
Capital One miles and Citi ThankYou Points transfer to Accor ALL at a 2:1 ratio, and Bilt Rewards transfer at a 3:2 ratio. Citi occasionally has a 50% transfer bonus too, which is one of the few speculative transfer bonuses I take.
Good luck, and have a nice weekend!
Or there’s always the European Marriott experience if you don’t want to learn Accor.
The Pepper gift card reselling platform, the current mass market frontrunner in the race to move funds from venture capitalist bank accounts to your wallet, has a few newsworthy updates:
They got a loan last week, and they did the most Pepper thing possible when filing: The CEO’s name is spelled wrong. (This is probably a bridge loan, VC funding definitely doesn’t look like this)
Yesterday, they offered (with most of the cash back coming in a couple of weeks):
Unlimited Amazon gift cards at 25% off
Walmart gift cards at 24% off, up to $1,500 per account
HomeDepot gift cards at 22% off, up to $3,000 per account
I think it’s clear that Pepper is eating most of the cost on these offerings, which could lead you to a few conclusions:
They might be trying to pump sales in anticipation of funding hurdles and are fiscally fine
They might be trying to make payroll and are fiscally almost dead
They’re just benevolent and like giving away money, but they have plenty of it
One of those three is probably right. Make your risk/reward calculations accordingly. Since no one asked: I’ve been bringing down my Pepper float to smaller numbers gradually over the last couple of months, and I’m approaching zero but not there yet.
Finally, I want to add something to a common argument I hear about Pepper, which is “Who cares if I lose the $20,000 I have floated to Pepper right now? I made way more than that.” It’s a good point, but I’d like to offer that if you can catch the falling knife, you can make “way more than that” and still not lose $20,000.
